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the wealthy. >> time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive thap most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >> it's going to sell that fiscal cliff. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he s
a name, grover norquist, the famous anti-tax lobbyist in washington, was running around beginning to enforce ayatollah-style his edict about taxes, and he got republicans beginning back in the '80s to sign these tax pledges, which, as i say, that tax pledge has really become the core identity of the modern conservative republican party. >> okay. we got a new candidate, fred barnes, he's a smart conservative. he's not some crazy. he would like to give the tax cut at a million. here is what he wants to do. an increase in the individual income tax rate for the affluent may be unavoidable. obama did spend the last two years proselytizing for such a hike and voters were well aware of it when they re-elected him. but the white house has said that the rates don't have to return to clinton era levels. obama's nemesis, as he often told us, are millionaires and billionaires. so why not urge that the higher tax rates be applied only to those with incomes of $1 million and not the couples earning more than $250,000. now, i'm talking pure politics, not equity in this case. can they hang their
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's interesting is with grover norquist and the anti-tax pledge, over 90% of republicans have signed that pledge, but so many are now speaking out about it. this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted?
from members, including grover norquist who puts forward the no new tax pledge. >> i admire grover norquist, i think he's done a lot of good. i signed that pledge, honored to do it. i don't think we're breaking it, i want to make all of the tax cuts permanent quite frankly. this is a debate about political tactics, a difference over political theology. all republicans want to make sure we don't increase taxes. where we differ with democrats. if there is a place we can get 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people made permanent, we should do that and continue to fight for the rest. >> i spoke to grover norquist yesterday, he opposes anything along the lines of allowing debate to go forward next year over the 2% and 3%, and the riches americans, those making $250,000 a year. he want it all part of the same package. you disagree with it? >> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. and we talk, you know, political strategy and politics, this is my position. it was given in private, and when it was asked it was laked by somebody. again, that's fine. not going to say one
. but here is grover norquist on "meet the press." >> tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so, ana marie, as sequels go, they don't often live up to the original. what do you think? >> i'm glad you came to me first so i can say tea party two electric boog aloo before jonathan does. the tends for sequ -- rules for sequels tend to be they have to be more violent. i'm not sure there really is a tea party two, and if anything i think it's a weaker tea party moving into this congress. i'm not sure what grover thinks. >> jonathan, what do you think? a tea party two? can anyone beat joe walsh of illinois, allen an west of florida? >> i don't think there's going to be a tea party two. do you remember "alien." it was good. "aliens" the sequel was fantastic. "alien resurrection" not so much. if there is going to be a tea party two, it's going to be a "alien resurrection" feat. >> grover norquist pregnant. >> what? >> thank you so much. stay with us. much more ahead. >> i believe you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. so it was nice. i saw th
signed the grover norquist antitax pledge. lou: congressional republicans pushing back hard against the president and democrats over the fiscalliff proposal. the white house saying that the real problem is republicans who won't give in on new taxes for top earners. my next guest sound grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge concerning. congressman nunes, it is great to have you with us. >> this little visit i timothy geithner to speaker boehner, in which he bsically says we are going to talk about stimulus -- that is pretty hard step to push or to stomachh isn't? >> yes, timothy geithner has been coming here for four years. he has come before the ways and means committee, before the budget committee. this guy has never told us the truth and we challenged them for years. the numbers don't add up, and that is the problem. he came here today and it was a waste of time. we shove the president meeting with the senate. it is kind of a joke and it is sad because it is a serious issue for the american people. lou: let me ask you. speaker boehner expressing frustration. it doesn't look to me
of the american people. >> that was followed by a fierce response from grover norquist, the man behind the no tax hike pledge embraced by many in the gop. >> every republican who had impure thoughts has to go back to the drawing board. they have just been told there are no real reforms in this budget. $1.6 trillion in tax increases. >> joining me is eleanor cliff and david dreker thank you for being here. so eleanor, we have timothy geithner who says there will be a deal before the end of the year but it doesn't look like anyone is willing to budge. is that your take away? >> i think there's a rhythm to these negotiations. and right now each side is staking out their optimal position. the republicans reportedly laughed at the proposal. if they can extract concessions from the president, then they can look like they have gotten something in the deal. so i think we're in the early stages of the negotiations, even though there aren't that many days left. i'm still optimistic. i think the president cannot be the one who blinks. he won the election and if we do go over the cliff or whatever we want to
a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i don't think they're silly. they control hiring in this country. many americans play for dinner. i don't think grover norquist cares about who is paying to dinner. he has a pledge. it's important to him an
's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis:los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets are cultu cultura biased. >> against what, surfers? >> 9-9-9 is how
about grover norquist? >> it's not about government per se. pandora lobbied government to have to bill. pandora wants to lower the royalties they have to pay to the artist. the artist have a dispute with pandora. >> sean: wait a minute. that's government intervention that government it up -- >> it's asking government to intervene. ays forget the other side, how the private sector goes out to the government all the time? >> they're uncomfortable with government coming in and leveling the playing field. or are they comfortable with pandora -- >> sean: go ahead. >> were they comfortable with the idea of government leveling the playing field before? >> is that a concept that -- >> you're confusing the issue. >> they're okay with pai paying their fair share. not all of them. some of the artists involved are actually republicans. but they've all said they're okay with paying higher taxes to help this country out. what they're not okay with is pandora lobbying -- >> sean: this isn't about pandora. there's a big point you're missing here. they're teaming up with grover norquist, antitax groups
down and negotiate the prestige of the country will pay a price. lou: i told grover norquist, he must like tom cole lot because all he would say in response was interesting tactic. thanks for being with us. in the "moneyline" tonight, a stalemate in washington d.c. wall street's back today. the balance squeaking out of four. gain. s&p up less than a point, nasdaq slipping lower on the day. volume on the big board slightly heavier than usual. all the major indexes finished higher for the month. down 71 points. s&p and nasdaq both ended high. the three biggest winners for the month, cisco systems up to nine 1/4%. home depot, bank of america, both of just above 6%. aaa now urging the environmentl protection agency to halt the sales of gas with directional concentrations arguing the fuel blend known as e 15 with an additional 5% ehanol cause engine damage but that is not covered by most car warranties. the epa says cars made after the 2000's one mall can handle that fuel brand. triple late shows 95 percent of cars made before 2012 will not up next, president obama meeting with everyone ab
technically that goes against grover norquist's pledge. >> well, we've already put a plan out in the budget committee. as you said, i am a part of that budget committee. and we put out the fundamentals of that, where we would have a plan where we would have pro-growth tax reform, and that means something fairer, flatter and simpler, and a portion of that is to look at the deductions that right now really do benefit those in the upper income, and that we're willing to look at those, and to make sure that what we do does bring in more revenue by robust economy. >> and it wouldn't be a violation of a sort of a marriage vow to grover norquist. he has said that violating his pledge is somehow akin to, you know, violating your marriage vows. you don't -- your deal is with your constituents, not with grover norquist? >> that's right. that's exactly right. >> i want to talk a little bit about the debt ceiling because this is coming into play here. grover norquist, again, has written an op-ed mentioning the debt ceiling specifically. a new report for the bipartisan policy center said the ceiling mus
mentioned grover norquist. he's making a new prediction, by the way. let's listen. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those regulations you're now hearing about, okay, those all hit after the election. we've got four bad years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party 2 is going to dwarf tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so basically, jon, what grover norquist is saying there to members of the tea party set who have been elected, who were elected, is, you know, we're going to take everybody who is against us into a primary on your right. >> right. >> on the republican side. >> right. >> so the threat has been issued already, even before we begin negotiating what the package will be. >> oh, yeah. >> this is like political terrorism. >> well, it's certainly a clear bargaining position. i remember three years ago talking to a longtime membe
chum, grover norquist. he's as certain as ever that republicans who have impure thoughts about violating his no new tax pledge will be targeted at the primary level by tea party members. i'm taking this masterful behind-the-scenes player at his word that he controls almost all the republicans. because almost all of them signed his oath. so a deal could be tough. plus i'm now calling for no vacation without legislation. no vacation without legislation. because the holidays are slated to begin in a couple of weeks. which doesn't give enough time to get the job done. so you have one side that ins t insisting on tax increases, and then you have the other side which has pledged no tax increases which assure those deal can occur. after all, even if the president offered heavy-duty spending cuts like he did during the debt ceiling fight, the republicans can't compromise because of their blood oath in norquist. they aren't allowed to and the president's bottom line seems to have hardened. doesn't it seem to you like he thinks that the wealthy and those who own stocks are exactly the s
avert it. grover norquist is neither elected nor has he ever run for office, so why is washington so scared of him? >> taxes went up, spending didn't go down. >> he's been called a kingmaker, a patriot, and the ideological godfather of the tea party. since the mid'80s, grover norquist, the founder of americans for tax reform, has been the driving force behind the anti-tax movement. his goal, to take big government and in his words, drown it in the bathtub. norquist's weapon is the taxpayer protection pledge, which was at one point signed by 95% of gop members of congress. >> you raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes. >> reporter: on the campaign trail this year, only one republican presidential candidate, jon huntsman, dared to cross him. norquist has clout. he's called the most powerful unelected man in america today. but since the november election, his fortunes have changed. >> i will violate the pledge. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> reporter: republicans in congress are jumpi
the election in 1992, and which we're still living, because that gave us grover norquist, et cetera. >> let's get to grover norquist in a minute, but i do have a question. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in savings over a decade. that includes raging the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lowering cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue. but without raising taxes on the wealthy. in a letter to the president, leading republicans compared their plan to one erskine bowles drew up last year. >> not even close. >> he rejected that connection and the white house, of course, is hitting the road. we'll get to that in a moment. but here's my question. i've been watching the coverage of this and reading it. and there's a lot of liberals who were like, he won, ha, ha, they're so arrogant about it, it's hard to like them. because it's just not attractive. but he did -- >> yeah, he won. >> and he is going to the american people with this. and why can't the starting point of these negotia
the no taxes pledge created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norqui norquist, the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos diaz. but now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? don't help me. don't help me. rip flambe -- no, that's my personal trainer. >> all right. good morning. it's wednesday, november 28th. look at this live look at rockefeller plaza. it is just lit up. gorgeous. >> you know what happens tonight? >> oh, yes, the big tree lighting. >> big commerce -- >> exciting for all the children. >> all right. welcome to "morning joe." >> mike, do you think that's going to whip people into a buying frenzy -- >> it's comcastic. >> a five-year running joke. >> i guess he wasn't paying attention. >> yes. >> national affairs editor for "new york" magazine. john heilemann and andrea mitchell. >> a lot of people say, i'm in trouble. and they've got these little arm bands now, wwjd. what would joe do? so what do i say? you've seen those, wwjd. >> everywhere. >> i say make a mistake, just step
grover norquist and hearing the uprising and all the fury over that that obama was going to have to give them some sort of fig leaf, some sort of concession, say well, yes, we had broken a promise, it was a really difficult decision for a lot of us, but we got "x." you know, the geithner offer of yesterday didn't have any "x." and what's fascinating about this, obama seems totally, totally convinced that if we go over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category. but does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the rich a little bit. it's fundamentally not true. but my attitude
entitlements, and republican congressman steve lottaret who is willing to break from grover norquist's tax pledge. he's also retiring at the end of this term. gentlemen, good to have both of you with us. mr. welch, i'll begin with you. i'm sure you've noticed, hopefully you've been watching cnbc and see all these pins that we are wearing that say "rise above" calling for you and your colleagues there to get something done on the fiscal cliff. why are you so unwilling to be able to do that? >> well, i am willing to do it. in fact, i work with steve, who you're going to hear from shortly, to advocate for a balanced deal. the real challenge here is practical. do we want to have a bad deal that beats the january 1 deadline, or are we willing to hold out for a more balanced deal, even if that requires us to go into january? >> does that include entitlements? does that mean reforming entitlemen entitlements, particularly medicare? >> absolutely. we have to have health care costs come under control. we can reform them. those of us who are strong supporters of medicare have to be advocates for sys
representative tom cole of oklahoma and the man behind the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. they'll both be "outfront." the new film called "zero dark 30" sparking controversy. it's based on that raid that killed osama bin laden and some charge the obama administration gave the film's producer certain access. barbara starr will be with us about that. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. >>> we begin with breaking news. new signs tonight the syrian government could be preparing to do the unthinkable, unleash chemical weapons on its own people. the united states has new intelligence suggesting syrian forces now mixing the ingredients used to make deadly serin gas. a serious civil war has progressed. the obama administration has repeatedly warned even just moving chemical weapons would be a red line that could draw a swift response. just hours ago, president obama directly addressing the assad regime about this latest intelligence. >> today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be tota
grover norquist they would never raise taxes, it certainly seems that the impasse cannot be solved and we got to -- go over the cliff. not only do the hard liners refuse to rise above partisanship in order to avoid a government man-dated recession, which is what it's amounted to doing, but we can't even get them to promise no vacation without legislation! >> boo! >> they not only seem mean-spirited, petty, reckless, and angry down there in washington, they're also slothful. have you ever been able to say to your boss, walk in, you know, hey, man i know i've got a huge project due, one that could bring down the whole company, but darn it all, hey, see you later, sport, i'm taking a vacation. i'm out of here! not only do i advocate no vacation without legislation, i want to know, a new one for you. a litmus test. i want to know which of these bitter politicians have tickets in their pockets to fly out of washington next week. i'm not kidding. i think we should ask each politician we interview, have you purchased tickets to leave without getting your job done. what's the date on that ticket?
does grover norquist pledge play into all of this, right? if you look at tom saying i don't see it as a pledge. >> however they want to modify that definition of having taken the pledge is fine by me. >> at the end of the day if you're the top 2% you're paying more and will feel like the taxes were raised. is that enough of an out, do you think? >> whatever they want -- however they want to gloss it over is fine by me. taking the pledge. i never took it even though i cut taxes and kept the budget spending low and all those good things and grover's group would never endorse me because i wouldn't take the pledge. it makes no sense to tie your hands before you know what you may actually be facing and what you're going to have to deal. and now what's happening -- i think it's a good sign as far as the ability to come to some kind of a compromise on the issue of the fiscal cliff. you have thoughtful leaders saying look, we cannot tie our hands this way. i don't care whether they want to say tess a revenue enhancer, it's closing a loophole and that's not really raising a tax. whatever
the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposal but it was not very many and they dismissed it out of, of hand after i thought geithner spent the entire weekend calling on the republicans to come forward with a plan. >> well, soledad, the p
are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent. that plenl, i honor that. it's a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. >> all right. you say your constituents don't want you to raise taxes on the rich. let me show you what an abc/washington post poll shows. 60% would support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 per year. you wouldn't do that? >> i understand that their perception. i have constituents that take that position as well. i'm sent to congress to represent 700,000 people in my northwest georgia district. they send me because they trust my judgment. they think i have the facts that maybe in many c
-by-day house members are saying they will blow off the grover norquist pledge. why do we have to be held to a pledge some would say? >> some. why give up something if a negotiation until you get something back? they are not getting anything back. >>gregg: the concession was a mistake? >> obviously. >> what we are missing from the republicans, that would be a positive message of what they are for. if as they did with paul ryan, they say we want to take medicare, social security, medicaid, and they do the same thing now with mcconnell and they need a game changer. >> as i said, on the debt crisis --. >> no, it is about spending cuts and the president is proposing not cuts but more spending. >> here is the point. if the republicans said, wait, we are going to start right here on this constitutional question, make the democrats in the senate and house of representatives vote, do you think mary landrieu would vote to give him total power? the republicans do not have a clue how to handle this. >> that would be smart, to call a vote right now on the president's ability to take away from congres
that. but look at grover norquist's rhetoric in the last 24 hours. look at what tom cole said. look at how every day another republican comes out and says well, maybe we could stomach a slight tax rate increase if. those are all the building blocks that it takes to gradually get to a place where republicans can do something that they hate doing. they don't want to raise taxes. but what the president would say is, i don't care what you want. you don't have a choice. the bush tax cuts go away at the end of the year. i will let them all go away if that's what it takes to get the rate on top earners to go up. boehner knows that. he has a huge incentive to get something out of this deal. and the president has a huge incentive to get a deal because the last thing he wants is an economic funk to start his second term. that would be a bummer for him and a bummer for his policies. >> and if i was advising republicans, i would say you want to get re-elected? you want to be here on your party? look at chris christie. start to move over to the other side of the aisle. >> michael steele, i know
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